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post #31 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-17-2009, 04:40 PM
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Re: Signs that the next generation will cause the end of the world

[quote author=Alec Trevelyan link=topic=156274.msg3329427#msg3329427 date=1253218748]
Meanwhile organizations like the "60 Plus Association" run ads aimed at killing healthcare reform, and guess where virtually all their money comes from? Hmm, let's see, Pfizer paid them a ton of money to lobby against prescription drug legislation in Minnesota and New Mexico with the help of Bonner & Associates, a firm currently being investigated for stealing letterhead from places like the NAACP in an effort to defeat climate change legislation.
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Well when your own Science "Czar" says an ice age is coming http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=873 and over 30K scientists debunk global warming http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/al_.../97307.html...

or how about the wonderful backbone of the Democratic party.. those wonderful unions, getting to own majority stakes in the government auto industry?

Cmon.. Unions push just as wonderfully back as your points.. However, last I checked... Acorn (best buds of Dems and Obama) has been busted helping pimps and ho's get housing for underage sex workers... (google it) Or did you not see that on CNN or MSNBC? Kinda hard to see a one line link on the bottom of their webpages...



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lolwut? i wasnt trolling, simply adding an on-topic reply to the thread and get it back on track.
doesnt matter, if the current conversation continues in a peaceful manner, it'll be split off into its own thread.

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Re: Signs that the next generation will cause the end of the world

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Meanwhile organizations like the "60 Plus Association" run ads aimed at killing healthcare reform, and guess where virtually all their money comes from? Hmm, let's see, Pfizer paid them a ton of money to lobby against prescription drug legislation in Minnesota and New Mexico with the help of Bonner & Associates, a firm currently being investigated for stealing letterhead from places like the NAACP in an effort to defeat climate change legislation.
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For the record, I'm not disagreeing about the parties fighting for or against reform. Simply making a statement that using such a position in a debate diverts attention to 3rd parties and away from the facts of the matter.

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although i dont enjoy preaching politics, here i go... i truly dont understand how republicans can have the nerve to bad mouth obama, or anyone who is in office other then bush... had bush not been in office, there wouldnt be a problem that needs to be fixed and from what weve seen, obama has not worsened the problem so just by that alone he is 10000x better then our previous republican president... i generally can see both sides of the argument and at the beginning of his presidency i was more then satisfied with george bush and actually argued against my parents saying that thus far he is a good president, despite them being, like many people ignorant cultists who refused to even consider the perks of other parties, but after everything that has happened with the failed attempts at gaining oil in iraq and the switch from a surplus to a recession, im still in shock that anyone can deem our previous president and his (planned) predecessor (who planned on following in his footsteps) a good one...
i am by no means a democrat, nor a republican. i believe that parts of the democratic parties campaign are good and parts are bad, vice versa. but at the end of the day i feel that the underlying conservatism of the republican party needs to go and the help those who dont help them selves mentality of the democratic party needs to go as well. however, at the end of the day Clinton = Great president (keep in mind i was born in 1992 so everything i mention about clinton is from what i have read), bush = terrible president, and obama has yet to do seomthing bad...


now back on topic

op, i am ggoing to have to disagree with you. our generation may have its flaws but at the same time, we live in a whole notehr generation! we are internet natives. our generation knows more about programs then the actually programmers do... take for example the iphone. we have the ability to do anything and everything (hacking wise) we want to an iphone which has been brought on by a few of our more computer savvy members and because of the internet everyone knows it... i remember reading an interesting fact (cant remember the specifics) but our generation, ten years down the road, is expected to, in 1 year (cant remember exact number) make more discoveries in the field of science then ever done since the beginning of time...

as far as soulja boy goes, i cant believe people actually buy his music... im trying to understand how great rappers like big and pac can get shot down yet this scrawny pos can drink bleach daily, put out crappy songs, and roll around in a lambo...

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although i dont enjoy preaching politics, here i go... i truly dont understand how republicans can have the nerve to bad mouth obama, or anyone who is in office other then bush... had bush not been in office, there wouldnt be a problem that needs to be fixed and from what weve seen, obama has not worsened the problem so just by that alone he is 10000x better then our previous republican president... i generally can see both sides of the argument and at the beginning of his presidency i was more then satisfied with george bush and actually argued against my parents saying that thus far he is a good president, despite them being, like many people ignorant cultists who refused to even consider the perks of other parties, but after everything that has happened with the failed attempts at gaining oil in iraq and the switch from a surplus to a recession, im still in shock that anyone can deem our previous president and his (planned) predecessor (who planned on following in his footsteps) a good one...
i am by no means a democrat, nor a republican. i believe that parts of the democratic parties campaign are good and parts are bad, vice versa. but at the end of the day i feel that the underlying conservatism of the republican party needs to go and the help those who dont help them selves mentality of the democratic party needs to go as well. however, at the end of the day Clinton = Great president (keep in mind i was born in 1992 so everything i mention about clinton is from what i have read), bush = terrible president, and obama has yet to do seomthing bad...


now back on topic

op, i am ggoing to have to disagree with you. our generation may have its flaws but at the same time, we live in a whole notehr generation! we are internet natives. our generation knows more about programs then the actually programmers do... take for example the iphone. we have the ability to do anything and everything (hacking wise) we want to an iphone which has been brought on by a few of our more computer savvy members and because of the internet everyone knows it... i remember reading an interesting fact (cant remember the specifics) but our generation, ten years down the road, is expected to, in 1 year (cant remember exact number) make more discoveries in the field of science then ever done since the beginning of time...

as far as soulja boy goes, i cant believe people actually buy his music... im trying to understand how great rappers like big and pac can get shot down yet this scrawny pos can drink bleach daily, put out crappy songs, and roll around in a lambo...

ashkan out...
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As a republican, I agree that Bush is an idiot, and thankfully, I never voted for him. Throughout my life, I voted more for Dems than Repubs, but that is changing. Bush's policies were flawed in many ways and he created tons of bureaucracy and the waste that comes with it. Just like Guiliani.. Any chimp in office at that time would have gotten a boost for being in charge.

however, adding more wasteful spending isn't going to make things right. i don't feel throwing all this money at banks with no oversight (I'll let you all google the reports) while they spend millions on lavish parties and bonuses. I don't care how they got fat in the first place, continuing to throw money at them now will just encourage them.

While I agree healthcare needs to be changed, there are points I agree with and points I don't. I agree there is waste. I believe I posted in another thread that CNN did a graph that showed where the waste went in healthcare. much of it was extra testing due to defensive medicine to avoid lawsuits. Let's reduce some of that expense. I was a Realtor and while I had another job, there were hundreds of thousands that didn't and had no health coverage. The reason? The law didn't allow the national organization to band together and establish a policy so all its members could buy into. Imagine allowing that? What would it do to all these trade organizations and other companies to actually be able to group together (think of a class action lawsuit but for healthcare). Larger pool, lower costs. I know dozens that were eager to have a group policy.

for the folks who cannot afford it now, give a tax credit, paid directly to the companies (would prevent someone from taking the $ and buying a car) to provide yearly insurance. Ther eis a country (2 actually) in Europe, I think one is the Swiss, that is all privately run insurance, yet the majority of the residents have insurance. Why? All insurance companies are required to provide a base level policy. This is paid by the government and the companies cannot deny or change the basic costs. They are what they are. So each peson gets the credit paid to the companies. Then, the companies are free to upsell extra (dental, vision, life insurance, etc) which is where they get their profits.

So folks are guaranteed basic coverage and access, and can upgrade as their needs warrant. I would love that to occur here. Everyone gets basic coverage, which would help for preventive medicine. Heck, offer weight loss and healthclub discounts. i've had several HMOs offer reimbursement for weight loss programs. Would help motivate some folks to lose weight.


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there were far more drugs in the 60's 70's and 80's

the others are fair points haha
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there were far more drugs in the 60's 70's and 80's

the others are fair points haha
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[quote author=TRex link=topic=156274.msg3330587#msg3330587 date=1253289721]
[quote author=JoeSVT link=topic=156274.msg3330537#msg3330537 date=1253287544]
[quote author=TRex link=topic=156274.msg3327593#msg3327593 date=1253131017]


there were far more drugs in the 60's 70's and 80's

the others are fair points haha
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You also need to factor in the fact that prescription drugs are being handed out to emo and punk kids who hate their lives and think they have issues. Drugs = candy in our society. They are seriously everywhere.


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I heard 2012 is supposed to cause the end of the world. John Cusack's movie says so anyway.

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Just watch "Idiocracy." This is the gospel of the times in which we will all soon live.



I'll add these to the OP's list: (1) Oprah (2) the overly abundant prevalence of mind-altering drugs - the kind obtained "legitimately" via prescription :shock:


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