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Last night around 1:30am a Fugitive Recovery Agent rings my door bell then after couple rings he starts banging on my door. This woke up my whole family and I. At this time I was half asleep so I didn't think it was a good idea to open my door.

He was looking for some guy named Raul and I told him that I just recently bought this house back in may 2009 and the Raul guy was probably a tenant in the house before. I told him I'm the new owner and told him to beat it.

After talking to the guy and realizing he wasn't going to leave so I had to call the cops. Only when the patrol cars arrive did I open my door and talked to the officer. The officer asked for my ID and the FR agent ID and took down some notes.

My question is did I have to legally open the door for the Fugitive Recovery Agent? I told the guy he could have came earlier and I would have gladly opened the door and talked to him without having to call the cops.


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Laws about bounty hunters vary from state to state. Ever since that one incident where they shot up the wrong house a few years ago, most states have moved to restrict their abilities to enter, search, etc.
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I believe you would not have to open the door even if a cop were knocking. A cop cannot enter your place unless he has suspicion that a crime is in progress or he has a warrant. I can't imagine a bounty hunter being held to any lesser of a standard that would allow him to enter your place of residence or compel you to speak to him.

Him knocking on the door at 1:30 in the morning was just a prick move.

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Re: Fugitive Recovery Agent

[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=153066.msg3274035#msg3274035 date=1250008747]
I can't imagine a bounty hunter being held to any lesser of a standard that would allow him to enter your place of residence or compel you to speak to him.
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There's the problem, though. Bounty hunters have fewer restrictions.
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[quote author=fatabbot link=topic=153066.msg3274045#msg3274045 date=1250009211]
[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=153066.msg3274035#msg3274035 date=1250008747]
I can't imagine a bounty hunter being held to any lesser of a standard that would allow him to enter your place of residence or compel you to speak to him.
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There's the problem, though. Bounty hunters have fewer restrictions.
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I can't imagine they can enter a home, it would be completely criminal. If a peace officer can't do it then there is no way a bounty hunter can.

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[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=153066.msg3274048#msg3274048 date=1250009265]
If a peace officer can't do it then there is no way a bounty hunter can.
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You're confusing the roles of the two professions. One is justice, protection and obtaining/securing evidence legally to use in prosecution. Bounty hunters are strictly for fugitive apprehension. While I'm sure there are rules that they can't just break down a door, there might be laws about cooperating with them.

If a cop breaks and enters/searches without probably cause, any evidence obtained will be quashed. If a bounty hunter gets a fugitive through shady means, the fugitive's still going to jail.
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I'm not against bounty hunters or law enforcement but coming to my house at 1:30am just kinda unprofessional. Even Dog the bounty hunter works during the daytime on TV.


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[quote author=phan95 link=topic=153066.msg3274068#msg3274068 date=1250009915]
I'm not against bounty hunters or law enforcement but coming to my house at 1:30am just kinda unprofessional. Even Dog the bounty hunter works during the daytime on TV.
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No doubt, it's a little ridiculous. Not to mention quite dangerous for the BH.
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[quote author=fatabbot link=topic=153066.msg3274065#msg3274065 date=1250009811]
[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=153066.msg3274048#msg3274048 date=1250009265]
If a peace officer can't do it then there is no way a bounty hunter can.
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You're confusing the roles of the two professions. One is justice, protection and obtaining/securing evidence legally to use in prosecution. Bounty hunters are strictly for fugitive apprehension. While I'm sure there are rules that they can't just break down a door, there might be laws about cooperating with them.

If a cop breaks and enters/searches without probably cause, any evidence obtained will be quashed. If a bounty hunter gets a fugitive through shady means, the fugitive's still going to jail.
[/quote]

I did some research on the laws and they vary from state to state, but in general a bounty hunter can only enter the home of the fugitive, not a third party unless given express consent. In the case of a rent controlled home I would bet that the bounty hunter needs to be absolutely sure the fugitive occupies the dwelling before entering it. Ultimately, my point as that besides the fact that it is probably criminal and the ends do not justify the means in a decent court of law, the bounty hunter would be liable under civil proceedings if they busted down the door of someone regardless of whether or not they were harboring a fugitive.

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Re: Fugitive Recovery Agent

[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=153066.msg3274074#msg3274074 date=1250010159]
I did some research on the laws and they vary from state to state, but in general a bounty hunter can only enter the home of the fugitive, not a third party unless given express consent. In the case of a rent controlled home I would bet that the bounty hunter needs to be absolutely sure the fugitive occupies the dwelling before entering it. Ultimately, my point as that besides the fact that it is probably criminal and the ends do not justify the means in a decent court of law, the bounty hunter would be liable under civil proceedings if they busted down the door of someone regardless of whether or not they were harboring a fugitive.
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I agree, really, it's just that it's a gray area.

My main point is that you can't compare their rights, duties or powers to peace officers, as that doesn't make sense.

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