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post #1 of 92 (permalink) Old 11-19-2008, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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So rather than continuing to thread jack its new topic time!

What’s your stance on health care? should it be universal? should we all be responsible for ourselves, is the cost justifiable?

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My knowledge isnt too extensive on this, but ill post what I know. Here in canada, we have universal as many know. Its great, as if i were to have huge problems, id be able to get the treament required, without cost. That way i dont have to suffer just because i cannot afford it. Ofcourse, you must be a canadian citizen to use it. Some people get mad how immagrants come in, get their citizenship easily (this used to be a large issue) and get free health care. People would feel they have contributed very little to the economy.

Things like cosmetics, dental, drugs, etc. Are payed for by ourselves. Unless theres company plans and such, which you guys may have as well.
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Universal coverage is fine, government managed care is not. No offense to you Cannucks or Brits in the room, but I probably pay less here for better and more immediate care....

Want to make a bad situation worse? Let the government take control....

Everyone talks about the masses of uninsured in this country. The problem is, the only people that truly have no coverage are the electively uninsured (people who truly can't afford almost always qualify for Medicaid). I think every one of us knows someone that has the latest cell phone, broadband internet, a nice TV, etc. yet doesn't have health insurance. If you mandate some level of coverage for everyone, I think you'll see costs go down because I'm not left footing the bill for those middle class folks that choose not to be covered, but then go bankrupt and leave the hospital with the bill....
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Re: Health Care

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while a large percentage of canadian and/or british enjoy fairly decent care under the NHS programs, there are horror stories for many (not that privatized care is without problems)

personally i think all children deserve good medical care, but i also i believe potential parents should have the wherewithal to provide adequate healthcare for their offspring, or they shouldn't have them. I am not in favor of paying for somebody else's lack of personal responsibility. i am in favor of mandatory contraception for anyone receiving any sort of government assistance.

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[quote author=John_in_the_LBC link=topic=128798.msg2755548#msg2755548 date=1227115735]
+1

while a large percentage of canadian and/or british enjoy fairly decent care under the NHS programs, there are horror stories for many (not that privatized care is without problems)

personally i think all children deserve good medical care, but i also i believe potential parents should have the wherewithal to provide adequate healthcare for their offspring, or they shouldn't have them. I am not in favor of paying for somebody else's lack of personal responsibility. i am in favor of mandatory contraception for anyone receiving any sort of government assistance.
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i see where you're going with this, and on the surface it makes sense. but can you really advocate mandatory reproduction control? hell, what would the punishment be? how would it be inforced and by whom? i just don't see that working
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post #6 of 92 (permalink) Old 11-19-2008, 12:34 PM Thread Starter
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believe me our system is far from perfect.

one of the biggest problems is the waiting time for certain procedures, and services... hell even getting into seeing a family doctor (if you are lucky enough to have one) can be a huge wait.

There was a huge debate here a number of years ago in Alberta about introducing a two tear system. Public health care side by side with private health care. The idea being that those who can afford imidiate treatment will be taken out of the queue therefore shortening wait times for everyone else.

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[quote author=moser3002 link=topic=128798.msg2755561#msg2755561 date=1227115945]
[quote author=John_in_the_LBC link=topic=128798.msg2755548#msg2755548 date=1227115735]
+1

while a large percentage of canadian and/or british enjoy fairly decent care under the NHS programs, there are horror stories for many (not that privatized care is without problems)

personally i think all children deserve good medical care, but i also i believe potential parents should have the wherewithal to provide adequate healthcare for their offspring, or they shouldn't have them. I am not in favor of paying for somebody else's lack of personal responsibility. i am in favor of mandatory contraception for anyone receiving any sort of government assistance.
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i see where you're going with this, and on the surface it makes sense. but can you really advocate mandatory reproduction control? hell, what would the punishment be? how would it be inforced and by whom? i just don't see that working
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Same here. It makes sense economically, but sounds awfully "Hitler-esqe".

Reminds me of the Freakonomics (I think it was that book) that pointed out if certain groups were given additional access to abortions that crime rates would drop.
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1 child policy anyone?

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[quote author=fatabbot link=topic=128798.msg2755500#msg2755500 date=1227115021]
Universal coverage is fine, government managed care is not. No offense to you Cannucks or Brits in the room, but I probably pay less here for better and more immediate care....

Want to make a bad situation worse? Let the government take control....

Everyone talks about the masses of uninsured in this country. The problem is, the only people that truly have no coverage are the electively uninsured (people who truly can't afford almost always qualify for Medicaid). I think every one of us knows someone that has the latest cell phone, broadband internet, a nice TV, etc. yet doesn't have health insurance. If you mandate some level of coverage for everyone, I think you'll see costs go down because I'm not left footing the bill for those middle class folks that choose not to be covered, but then go bankrupt and leave the hospital with the bill....
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Health insurance also turns down many people.

Personally, I'm in favor of a two tier system. So that people that can really afford private health care will do so, while still being gauranteed health care. Many will argue that the U.S already has a two tier system, but IMO that is far from the truth.


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the waits are a problem, but isnt that also one in the states? Im not too sure how US health insurance works either.
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