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why not just drop a tri-point kit in for starters? retards. they're making a mountain out of a mole-hill. i mean sure, you COULD make it a mazdaspeed 5. or you could actually make it better for less money and not have to basically re-build the car from scratch.

LOL i'll be interested in seeing where this goes. everyone keeps jabbering about the swap, here's some tards that are gonna do it.

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Cool concept bad execution.


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Worked for me.


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[quote author=Sokool link=topic=121198.msg2557165#msg2557165 date=1219352188]
Cool concept bad execution.
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that's what i'm saying, why do that swap when there's so much more to be done better workign with what is already there. quaife, internals, koni, stiffer mounts, standalone, billet gears etc etc

this swap is just stupid

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Looks pretty badass to me regardless. I like the 5, sadly someone else thinks that since it's a minivan it is totally uncool. So, we'll go with either an Escape (AWD, 2.5l) or a used CX-7 (AWD). CX-7 is a guzzler and smaller inside.

I'm sure they went with the MS3 parts because Mazda gave them everything...

Mazda apparently feels any kind of publicity is good publicity and has agreed to supply a Mazda 5 for the transformation and dig up a Mazdaspeed 3 for us to scavenge its suspension, brakes, wheels, and 263-hp turbocharged four-banger.

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just boost it and you'd have more starting whp than a speed 3.

i'm not debating that this swap isn't interesting (it is) but i mean, i cannot imagine what sort of idiotic problems they're gonna run in to swapping the lsd, drivetrain, tranny, suspension etc etc... and they'll still only have a crap lsd and an engine that only has bolt-ons.

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Someone probably thought the idea was interesting, and why not call the manufacture first. They did and Mazda supplied the parts. Mazda probably wouldn't have supplied the work from others. Also, these guys probably don't have time to research the best components, as they're not quite as fanatical or focused on 1 model (of 1 make) like a model-specific forum would be.

And, the point was not to make the most power from a boosted 2.3l, it was to take a Mazdaspeed3 drivetrain and stick it into a Mazda5. Essentially a factory hot-rod, just like they did when they swapped the SHO drivetrain into a Taurus wagon and even into a Windstar (remember the SHOstar?). The factory part is very appealing to people, maybe not younger enthusiasts, but those that grew up with engine swaps from within companies and keeping the sleeper look. Of course, that was before complex computers came into play.

The Mazda5 subframe hardpoints are very, very similiar to the Mazda3, I guess we'll see if there are any issues down the line. I'm sure it'll be the same as swapping the MS3 drivetrain and components into a MZ3. I don't think it will be that bad, definitely not worthy of being called idiotic or retarded. Where is your sense of spirit?

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given the engine space and shifter location, i'm assuming more trouble than a reg 3.

and i do have spirit, i mean i'm super interested in seeing the outcome, and i get the point, i'm just saying it could be so much more.

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Currently, the MZ5 can be had with a manual transmission. I'm sure some improvision with the linkage could be used.

I could see the intercooler needing to be moved, but the compartment isn't any smaller than the MZ3. It looks to sit a little lower (relative to the cowl) than in the MZ3.

Here is a picture: [img width=1024 height=768]http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2008-mazda5/2008-mazda5-engine.jpg[/img]

I was teasing on the spirit part...it could be more, but that isn't the intention.

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