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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 02-20-2008, 11:26 PM Thread Starter
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Shooting down the sat. tonight, right?

I heard on the local FM station, that they were launching the missiles at 9:30 my time (Central, its 9:26 now lol). Anyone know if I can see this from houston and if they are in fact launching at 9:30 ?

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WASHINGTON - A missile launched from a Navy ship struck a dying U.S. spy satellite passing 130 miles over the Pacific on Wednesday, the Pentagon said.
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It was not clear whether the operation succeeded in its main goal of destroying a tank aboard the satellite that carried a toxic fuel that U.S. officials said could pose a hazard to humans if it landed in a populated area.

"Confirmation that the fuel tank has been fragmented should be available within 24 hours," the Pentagon said in a written statement.

The USS Lake Erie, armed with an SM-3 missile designed to knock down incoming missiles ó not orbiting satellites ó launched the attack at 10:26 p.m. EST, according to the Pentagon. It hit the satellite as the spacecraft traveled at more than 17,000 mph.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) ó A missile launched from a Navy ship successfully struck a dying U.S. spy satellite passing 130 miles over the Pacific on Wednesday, a defense official said. Full details were not immediately available.

It happened just after 10:30 p.m. EST.

Two officials said the missile was launched successfully. One official, who is close to the process, said it hit the target. He said details on the results were not immediately known.

The goal in this first-of-its-kind mission for the Navy was not just to hit the satellite but to obliterate a tank aboard the spacecraft carrying 1,000 pounds of a toxic fuel called hydrazine.

U.S. officials have said the fuel would pose a potential health hazard to humans if it landed in a populated area. Although the odds of that were small even if the Pentagon had chosen not to try to shoot down the satellite, it was determined that it was worth trying to eliminate even that small chance.

Officials said it might take a day or longer to know for sure if the toxic fuel was blown up.









Now to think, even if they missed would they say they missed it? The old super power couldnt hit a object in the sky. We wouldnt admit to it even if we did miss it.

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Well, it's easy enough to confirm if we hit the sat. Just a matter of whether or not the tank actually blew. Realistically, it's unlikely to matter in any event, and any hit makes its disintegration on reentry more likely.
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How did they hit it? (Without missing it)


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Its a hoax, we had to hit it or the other countries would laugh at us

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[quote author=ITHURTZ link=topic=103345.msg2088677#msg2088677 date=1203572111]
Its a hoax, we had to hit it or the other countries would laugh at us
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As for the hit, it doesn't take much. You stick a marble in the path of a sat. moving at 17,000+ mph and you are going to cause catastrophic damage. You put a ASAT manuevering vehicle weighing, at a guess, 50lbs+ in the path of a sat. with a combined velocity of over 25,000mph and it is going to vaporize a large portion of it.

I get that it is harder then I make it sound, but its not like it is a manuevering vehicle, the ballastics aren't that complicated to figure out. What would make it difficult is a satellite that is actively evading an ASAT, either through manuevering, decoys or EW. I think it will be interesting what kinds of goodies various countries pack into their spy satellites and what they might eventually pack into them in the way of A-ASAT (anti-antisatellite) systems.
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[quote author=ITHURTZ link=topic=103345.msg2088416#msg2088416 date=1203567595]
Now to think, even if they missed would they say they missed it? The old super power couldnt hit a object in the sky. We wouldnt admit to it even if we did miss it.
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Satellites are easy for other nations to track. China, Russia, etc. would know almost as soon as we would have had we missed. Also, correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm not...), but we have disclosed both successes and failures in our evolving anti-ballistic missile program, have we not? I wish your constant ramblings about politics and world affairs were based on reality rather than your personal bias.

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We have and it isn't a huge leap for us, we've had ASAT tests before, as was mentioned (though not named) the Pegasus ASAT test back in '89 of an aircraft launched ASAT missile.

One of the issues with the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) system we are testing is that it has to deal with several things that an ASAT missile generally does not.

ballistic missiles, even non MRV ICBMs and IRBMs (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile), typically have decoys and are stealthed to some degree as well as having to quickly plot the flight path of the missile. With a satellite you can plot the ephemeris for days, weeks or months before you bother taking a pot shot at it.

Of course one of the biggest issues with the ABM seems to be software related, IE tons of bugs. That doesn't really excuse it at all as that should not really be much of an issue at this point in development...but since I work with software...sometimes a fatal error isn't found till well after a system goes live. Still, not a great success ratio, but it does seem to be batting somewhere north of .500 and if you take into account early tests which are likely to be more flawed it might even be workable in the method intended (to shot down a single or a very small handful of ICBMs).

Of course against a saturation launch or post seperation with a MRV ICBM it would be like crossing your fingers while jumping in a swiming pool hoping you don't get wet.
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[quote author=fatabbot link=topic=103345.msg2089461#msg2089461 date=1203611491]
[quote author=ITHURTZ link=topic=103345.msg2088416#msg2088416 date=1203567595]
Now to think, even if they missed would they say they missed it? The old super power couldnt hit a object in the sky. We wouldnt admit to it even if we did miss it.
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Satellites are easy for other nations to track. China, Russia, etc. would know almost as soon as we would have had we missed. Also, correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm not...), but we have disclosed both successes and failures in our evolving anti-ballistic missile program, have we not? I wish your constant ramblings about politics and world affairs were based on reality rather than your personal bias.


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Fatty bot keep your panties out of a twist. It was a joke ramble, USA has to do everything perfect without being the laughing stock of the world. Because the us gov cant take that kind of pressure.

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