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post #1 of 64 (permalink) Old 10-18-2007, 10:25 AM Thread Starter
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Death to ATX!!

So, while I was driving an ATX car today I was thinking (and totally not paying attention to driving) about how much better the highways would be if just about all cars were MTX. Whenever I drive an ATX car I feel stupid and find myself drifting a lot and not paying attention to driving. There's nothing to do besides drift off when you're in an ATX car, atleast a MTX car keeps you occupied and alert. When I'm driving a MTX car I feel much sharper and I'm always thinking about what I have to do next (clutch/shifter wise). I also find that in an MTX car I won't talk on the phone, if it rings I either don't answer or pick up real fast and tell the person to call me back later since I'm driving.

Think about how much better it'd make highways or just streets around town. You probably wouldn't see someone talking on their phone (holding the phone to their ear) while driving around town. It kind of annoys me how when I drive around thats all I see, people on their phones while driving.

Oh, and what about stop and go traffic? I bet that would be very greatly reduced since if everyone had a MTX car they wouldn't want to be shifting all the time so most people would just try and coast along slowly. I usually leave atleast 4-5 car lengths between me and the next car just so that I don't have to shift much or use my brakes. Engine braking FTW!

And what if there was a law that you could only drive a MTX car? Think of how many elderly that shouldn't be driving you'd be able to keep off the road because they wouldn't be able to operate a clutch. It may even have an effect on drunk driving too. You may not have the coordination to operate a clutch and shifter while fucked up and you'd probably just give up trying to drive it.

There's probably a ton of instances where MTX only cars on our roads would improve safety. I wish people weren't getting lazier and lazier in America. Eventually the lazyness is gonna get so bad that we won't even be driving our cars anymore, we'll just tell the car where we want to go and it'll take us. Who wants to live like that though? I enjoy driving and love making the effort to shift and think. The only good thing I can see coming from us becoming more and more lazy is that computers driving cars will most likely make far fewer mistakes or accidents making the roads safer, but at the cost of freedom and the thrill of driving.

What do you guys think about this?
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Re: Death to ATX!!

For some people it isn't an issue of being lazy. Ease and comfort are top on the list. Most people are NOT car enthusiasts and couldn't give a rat's ass about driving a manual. For me it wasn't an issue of being lazy. I was in a horse-back-riding accident years ago that damaged my ankles and knees. If I had to drive an MTX for a daily driver I'd be crippled.

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There's nothing to do besides drift off when you're in an ATX car, atleast a MTX car keeps you occupied and alert.
That is one of the most asinine comments I have ever heard. I am a VERY defensive driver, aware of everything that surrounds me. In my opinion a bad driver would be a bad driver regardless of transmission.

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It's not so much laziness, it's convenience. Why do something manually when there's a decent hydraulic machine available that can do it satisfactorily? I understand why people like manuals, but I'd prefer to have a machine do that for me, even if it does cost a bit in regards to power and fuel efficiency. Once CVTs become more mainstream, I see no reason to own a manual unless you like to drive one.

It could be argued that manual transmissions are more distracting than the automatic variety. If you force a manual on somebody, they're probably still going to talk on the phone and drive like an idiot (perhaps even worse than before), but now they've got an additional distraction to deal with to make the car move down the road.
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[quote author=LaraW link=topic=92082.msg1790773#msg1790773 date=1192718019]
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There's nothing to do besides drift off when you're in an ATX car, atleast a MTX car keeps you occupied and alert.
That is one of the most asinine comments I have ever heard. I am a VERY defensive driver, aware of everything that surrounds me. In my opinion a bad driver would be a bad driver regardless of transmission.

Think before you post. lol.
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Well I don't know how it is for everyone but driving an automatic gives me nothing to do, and when I have nothing to do I start to drift off and think about weird things. Ok maybe all MTX is not the answer but I think people need to be doing something in their cars that will keep their minds on the task at hand. I'm sure not EVERYONE is like this but I bet it'd help if people had to put more effort into driving their cars. Something like paddle shifters or a clutchless manual. Some people just need to be occupied to stay attentive. You have a perfectly good reason to drive an ATX car but most people drive an ATX car because they are either too lazy or just can't be bothered with having to put forth more effort to do something.

Hehe, this thread probably would have gone over better in the mazdaspeed section but i'm sure it would have been moved out here if i posted it there.
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[quote author=ElJay link=topic=92082.msg1790782#msg1790782 date=1192718268]
It's not so much laziness, it's convenience. Why do something manually when there's a decent hydraulic machine available that can do it satisfactorily? I understand why people like manuals, but I'd prefer to have a machine do that for me, even if it does cost a bit in regards to power and fuel efficiency. Once CVTs become more mainstream, I see no reason to own a manual unless you like to drive one.

It could be argued that manual transmissions are more distracting than the automatic variety. If you force a manual on somebody, they're probably still going to talk on the phone and drive like an idiot (perhaps even worse than before), but now they've got an additional distraction to deal with to make the car move down the road.
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I think a manual WOULD be more distracting, but in a good way. It would make you think about driving your car instead of whatever else is going on in your head. I agree that some people would still talk on the phone, but hopefully they'd use an earbud or some kind of car integration method to do it. It's pretty hard to hold a phone to your ear while driving an MTX around a city since you need both hands, which is why i don't do it and think it'd help the talking on the phone while driving problem.
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Well, that's why most autos now come with tiptronic.

Keeps me occupied.


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If you're prone to "drifting off" while driving a car with ATX switching to an MTX won't help you. It's about driver discipline. You shouldn't have to fool yourself into paying attention while driving. Long stretches of highway driving while using ATX or MTX will have the same affect on a person. City driving tends to keep people stimulated so at that point it doesn't matter either what transmission you might have. Also keep in mind that for medical reasons, not everyone can drive MTX. My father has bad knees after knee surgery 10 years agao and as such using a MTX would be punitive.

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[quote author=Cardinal Fang link=topic=92082.msg1791180#msg1791180 date=1192727048]
If you're prone to "drifting off" while driving a car with ATX switching to an MTX won't help you. It's about driver discipline. You shouldn't have to fool yourself into paying attention while driving. Long stretches of highway driving while using ATX or MTX will have the same affect on a person. City driving tends to keep people stimulated so at that point it doesn't matter either what transmission you might have. Also keep in mind that for medical reasons, not everyone can drive MTX. My father has bad knees after knee surgery 10 years agao and as such using a MTX would be punitive.
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Thank you. That is exactly the point I was trying to make.


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Re: Death to ATX!!

[quote author=khaydin link=topic=92082.msg1790821#msg1790821 date=1192719186]
Well I don't know how it is for everyone

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but most people drive an ATX car because they are either too lazy or just can't be bothered with having to put forth more effort to do something.
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Well if you don't know how or why one would drive an automatic, then you shouldn't assume and generalize that people who do drive an auto are lazy.

If people want to get an auto and don't want to drive a stick. That's fine.
If people want to get a stick and not drive an auto. Thats fine as well.

Who really cares? You won't be in their cars, why should it bother you so much.
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Let's keep the comments civil. Thanks.
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