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Whats the big deal about torturing prisoners of war??

Ok here goes.....

its so mean!!

Um duh its war

But its inhumane

Like taking armed soldiers and huge weapons to another country for the sole purpose of annhilating them?

But they attacked us/have weapons/threaten others

Oh so they are our enemy

Yes

So we want to kill them

Well yeah

But we cant torture them to figure out where more of them are so we can further our mission of killing them?

But thats not right

So why are we at war with them is we can't justify our own actions?

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Hey I am all for it. I am sure we do torture some top members in other countries.
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Re: Whats the big deal about torturing prisoners of war??

This has "heated argument" written all over it, but I tend to agree. As much as I hate the idea of torture (we should really be held to a higher standard) I hate war even more. Can't we all just get along? It's like the rules of war (which have changed so much over the centuries).... we all used to line up in a row and take turns shooting at each other. Then some CRAZY bastards started hiding in the forest and making crazy attacks because they knew they couldn't win with traditional war tactics. We ended up winning the American Revolution because of that, and it bit us in the ass in Vietnam. Besides all getting along, we should learn from our experiences.... but I digress.

Oh yeah - please keep it civil in here. We don't need to be waterboarding each other in the forums.



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Re: Whats the big deal about torturing prisoners of war??

we signed a treaty forbidding it. we have laws against assassinating heads of state. do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

all that being said, i have no problem with it, if i thought it would save an innocent life.

truth be told, if you have enough time, torture isn't really necessary.

they recently made water-boarding illegal as an interrogation technique. :x idiots...

don't think for an instant that you've seen the worst we have done recently. the military lets the cia and nsa do most of that dirty work and MI is pretty much supposed to play by the rules. Army MI did use water-boarding until recently.

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Re: Whats the big deal about torturing prisoners of war??

This is frustrating to read...

The democratic party is highly against the torture of Prisoners of war and the inhumane treatment of them.

So your telling me, The Liberals say its mean to torture, so the US can't torture in order to further our mission, so the republicans currently can't justify our war because the democrats say we cant torture and therefore we can't figure out where more of them are? Nice way to turn liberal policies into anti-war slander.

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Re: Whats the big deal about torturing prisoners of war??

[quote author=ENH729 link=topic=66724.msg1145314#msg1145314 date=1168565725]
This is frustrating to read...

The democratic party is highly against the torture of Prisoners of war and the inhumane treatment of them.

So your telling me, The Liberals say its mean to torture, so the US can't torture in order to further our mission, so the republicans currently can't justify our war because the democrats say we cant torture and therefore we can't figure out where more of them are? Nice way to turn liberal policies into anti-war slander.
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I never mentioned political parties. I am just saying we are either at war or we aren't.

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[quote author=John_in_the_LBC link=topic=66724.msg1145302#msg1145302 date=1168565456]
we signed a treaty forbidding it. we have laws against assassinating heads of state. do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

all that being said, i have no problem with it, if i thought it would save an innocent life.

truth be told, if you have enough time, torture isn't really necessary.

they recently made water-boarding illegal as an interrogation technique. :x idiots...

don't think for an instant that you've seen the worst we have done recently. the military lets the cia and nsa do most of that dirty work and MI is pretty much supposed to play by the rules. Army MI did use water-boarding until recently.
[/quote]Good point CIA and NSA they probably can do anything if they wanted to. Enough said Wars are waged by nations and the people of those nations will be the ones paying the price.


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ok that's all good and everything except torture has never been shown to be a reliable way of extracting information from a person. so why bother doing it.

I personally wouldn't mind the use of torture if and only if we could prove the informaiton usefull when in fact most of the time, the person being tortured will say anything you want them to say if it will make you stop, not tell you all their secrets. so that being what it is, when I find our government torturing people I tend to look down on them and not cast a vote in their favor again.

If they can't figure out more reliable ways to win a war, then maybe they ought not to be fighting one. especially since they didn't do anything to us we didn't invite them to do.


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Re: Whats the big deal about torturing prisoners of war??

[quote author=ENH729 link=topic=66724.msg1145314#msg1145314 date=1168565725]
This is frustrating to read...

The democratic party is highly against the torture of Prisoners of war and the inhumane treatment of them.

So your telling me, The Liberals say its mean to torture, so the US can't torture in order to further our mission, so the republicans currently can't justify our war because the democrats say we cant torture and therefore we can't figure out where more of them are? Nice way to turn liberal policies into anti-war slander.
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Liberals aren't necessarily against useful torture, but since they weren't the ones in charge, they are being critical of it now publically as a political tool. like i said, we hope that the enemy also treats prisoners reasonably well, and that's the whole idea behind the geneva convention.

[quote author=sleeping link=topic=66724.msg1145333#msg1145333 date=1168566596]
ok that's all good and everything except torture has never been shown to be a reliable way of extracting information from a person. so why bother doing it.

I personally wouldn't mind the use of torture if and only if we could prove the informaiton usefull when in fact most of the time, the person being tortured will say anything you want them to say if it will make you stop, not tell you all their secrets. so that being what it is, when I find our government torturing people I tend to look down on them and not cast a vote in their favor again.

If they can't figure out more reliable ways to win a war, then maybe they ought not to be fighting one. especially since they didn't do anything to us we didn't invite them to do.
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pretty much correct, but in some instances, extreme torture and mutilation, of the interrogant or family members of the interrogant, can yield good results, especially when time is critical.

not sure what you mean by the last part.

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