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Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

Just was wondering what you guys think about Cindy Sheehan being arrested on White House property this week for protesting again. She was arrested because she was blocking an entrance and refused to move when asked to by police... Do you think she is a nut job looking for attention or does she actually believe that what she is doing is right and will bring an end to the war.. Let me know if you are in the Military or a VET..

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

i dont know who she is, but its understandable ppl will object to war. But its a fact of life that happens also.
Im christian and still think War is okay for the right reasons. One person can make a difference in regards to her.
But because of political pressures and what is trying to be accomplished in war, i dont think she will Stop the war, but maybe change the course of some things. Maybe help the president to realize we need the war to last as short as need be.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

[quote author=Tony link=topic=62488.msg1069426#msg1069426 date=1163625493]
Just was wondering what you guys think about Cindy Sheehan being arrested on White House property this week for protesting again. She was arrested because she was blocking an entrance and refused to move when asked to by police... Do you think she is a nut job looking for attention or does she actually believe that what she is doing is right and will bring an end to the war.. Let me know if you are in the Military or a VET..
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Cindy Sheehan has the right to protest, the right to make her views heard, and the right to say what she has to say without government interference.

She DOESN'T have the right to obstruct entrances to government property, cause public disruption, or refuse to obey lawful commands from US law enforcement officers.

And that's what gets me. She makes a big deal about being carried off for protesting, but the reality is that she's breaking some other law and is given plenty of warnings before they haul her away. I guess if she feels it's worth it, then more power to her. I disagree with her point, but respect her right to make it.

What I absolutely REFUSE to agree with is that she is off-limits for criticism. Any time someone speaks negatively about her or her "mission" or her public comments, plenty of people are happy to jump down their throats..."how dare you criticize this poor woman"...."give her a break, she lost her son"....etc, etc. As far as I'm concerned, she lost any protection from criticism the moment she began appearing at rallies and speaking about anything not directly connected to the war and her son. She's spoken out about all kinds of aspects of US foreign policy, criticized the administration for all manner of things...to me, that removes any "poor woman" consideration she might have deserved at one point. And another thing....who pays her bills? She's on the road so much, you know that she isn't funding herself on these adventures. At this point, and for a while, she's nothing more than a mouthpiece for organizations with an agenda. And if you follow the money, most of those anti-war organizations came into being out of anti-bush, anti-republican, or leftist groups. She was the keynote speaker at a rally put on by some group, that was actually funded and organized by the Workers World Party...that's right: she spoke on behalf of an actual cold-war era communist party. She's bff with Hugo Chavez. etc.

She's a sad woman that let her moment of fame go to her head. I feel for her in the loss of her son, but she's gone from a grieving mother to a legitimate target for severe criticism.
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[quote author=kspec link=topic=62488.msg1069469#msg1069469 date=1163626860]
i dont know who she is, but its understandable ppl will object to war. But its a fact of life that happens also.
Im christian and still think War is okay for the right reasons. One person can make a difference in regards to her.
But because of political pressures and what is trying to be accomplished in war, i dont think she will Stop the war, but maybe change the course of some things. Maybe help the president to realize we need the war to last as short as need be.
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Cindy Sheehan is the mother of soldier who was killed in Iraq a few years ago and has been organizing peace protests all across the country ever since. She has even met with President Bush some time ago.... What she fails to realize is that when you join the armed forces you make a pledge to obey the Commander and Chief no matter if his orders are right or wrong. He made the decision to join and suffered the worst that could happen.. Possibly his mother should have directed him in a different direction before he joined the military...

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

im neither a vet nor currently enlisted.

i don't know that i think shes crazy... i just feel like shes got no focus.

i cant tell whether its the government/media spinning it, or whether she really does lack aim, but it just seems like she gathers people to stand around at places and yell over and over again. what is she trying to accomplish? raise awareness of the war? are there really people who would see her that areant already aware of the issues? is she trying to be enough of a thorn in the side of politicians that they change? cause thats absurd. shes got alot of people turning out to protest with her, but politicians are so far removed from that, no ones gonna care.

i don't think picketing over something as big as a war is effective anymore. i understand why she thinks shes doing it. i cant blame her for being mad as hell. if anything, what shes demonstrating is how little power the first amendment really has for one person nowadays

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[quote author=maxuz link=topic=62488.msg1069499#msg1069499 date=1163627790]
i don't think picketing over something as big as a war is effective anymore. i understand why she thinks shes doing it. i cant blame her for being mad as hell. if anything, what shes demonstrating is how little power the first amendment really has for one person nowadays
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really? I would disagree with you. She's one person that began a small protest and has become an international celebrity. If she had no voice, we wouldn't see her on the news every time she was arrested. One person can't (and shouldn't be able to, imho) change a country's policy but she is one person who has brought an insane amount of attention to her cause.

How many protests are there every day in this country? I don't know, and I don't think anyone knows or cares. Maybe it makes the local news. You don't get national coverage unless it's a HUGE protest, and even then you only get any real airtime if something bad happens. But every time this one, single woman shows up somewhere it gets time on national news broadcasts, national newspapers, mentions in syndicated columns and on talkshows.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

Tony -- I couldn't agree with you more. At first I felt a little sad for her because she lost her son, but now I really think that she's a little off her rocker, and worse than that, she has been and continues to be manipulated by the rabid Bush-hating anti-war faction. They have set her up as a figurehead and symbol of their movement, and she's too confused and sad to notice how they've manipulated her. She needs to realize that when her son joined the military, he didn't join it to have a good time. And it doesn't matter if he joined up in a time of peace. When you enlist, you are accepting the fact that military action may occur at any time, and whether you agree with it or not, your duty is to your country. We should be recognizing the sacrifice that her son and so many others have made in Iraq and Afganistan, but instead we focus our attention on her and her cohorts and their relentless attempts at staging protests directly at Bush, whether in Crawford or at the White House. I'm all for peaceful protests; it's guaranteed in the Constitution and it's one of our fundamental rights as Americans. But when people start blocking entrances illegally and getting arrested, I think for the common person their protest becomes a joke. Their message gets lost and they leave an image of silly goofballs who go a little too far to get their point across. I've never been inspired by video of people being dragged away by police after laying down in front of an office or building as part of a protest.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

tanya harding was an international celebrity. darva conger at least got national celebrity.

i don't think shes gotten attention for her cause. i think shes gotten attention from the media in a "heres an oddity" sort of way.

Durring the civil rights movement, the media would turn out to cover protests becuase something was really happening. the statement was big, and people knew it.

her statement SHOULD be treated the same way by the media. she lost her son in the war, shes mad as hell, and fighting to get that message out. she has people, a good deal of people, that have joined her side in the cause.

but shes not covered that way.

the media covers cindy sheehan because shes there. her message isnt getting across. there are people coming to protest with her, but i hardly ever here those numbers quoted anymore. the notion that she has actually amassed a sizable following isnt getting out. instead, we only hear about her when she crosses the line between someone fighting for a cuase and someone doing something un-productive, like refusing to get out of the way in a walkway. that underminds her message in the same way the "anarchists" throwing rocks and lighting cars on fire underminded the message of the WTO protests in seattle.

i dunno. i dont get to watch the news that often, so maybe i've missed stuff. i could be totally off. i just feel like if someone were to camp outside the white house and the presidents ranch holding a sign that read "alien chickens are in my backyard," for as long as she has been doing her protest, they would get the exact same coverage she is. shes been relegated to "crazy lady" status by the media, and because of that, also in the minds of the american public.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested... What's your thoughts?

She has every right to protest. Her son made the ultimate sacrifice for his country but that doesnt give her the right to break the law.
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her son would probably be ashamed....


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