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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 10-28-2006, 02:10 PM Thread Starter
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Research based institute: teach or research?

What do you guys think? Do you think they interviewed for the job because they love teaching and academic, being able to do research is a side plus.

Or they just wanna do research, it annoys them to teach classes.
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Re: Research based institute: teach or research?

depends on the prof and the school.

Some prof's are in it just for the research, and classes are just something they have to do to get their research money.
some prof's actually enjoy the teaching, and the research is a bonus

there's value in both, but it always bothered me when a prof was so caught up in their research that the class I was paying them to teach me was crap. The best classes I had from research profs were when they integrated the class into their research, so that we were able to actually learn something about the process. Not like "here...do my research", but where the course of study paralleled the research that the prof was doing.

The worst was when a prof was teaching something that had nothing at all to do with their research.

Correction: the WORST were the classes taught by the big-name, "famous" professors that the school recruited to come and do research so that they would get the big-money grants, but were only required to teach a class or two. Those classes (even upper-division classes) were usually "taught" by grad students with the occasional appearance by the prof. Worthless.

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Re: Research based institute: teach or research?

My worst were when profs had very little understanding of the English language. Not much fun sitting there trying to learn about transformations and permutations in a math class and have the professor speaking very broken English. Also bad ones are when they are part time professors teaching classes. I never had that, but my brother did at UMBC. About half his professors were just part time. A few of my better classes were actually taught by grad students...or at least I should say a few of my more fun classes were taught by grad students (like my speech and public debate class).

It really depends, it is almost always better to have a prof who is such because they love to teach, but I have also had profs who were mostly research oriented, but they happened to be good teachers as well.
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In engineering departments here in Canadian university, they actually have a set policy. 60% of the time the prof can allocate to his/her research, 30% towards teaching, and 10% towards administration. The same might be true across all departments but I'm not privy to that information. Having said that, I'm not even sure it really matters which is given priority. As long as the prof looks like he's putting in the effort to teach, it is good enough for me. Not sure if I suffer from some kind of attention deficit disorder or whatever, but I never could pay attention in lectures and always had to resort to learning on my own time. Not to mention tutoring friends (guess I wasn't the only one with ADD). Though, once or twice I did get professors who were exceptionally great humans. Not only were they good teachers, but also really cared about the students. I guess I kinda missed that since leaving highschool.

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In engineering departments here in Canadian university, they actually have a set policy. 60% of the time the prof can allocate to his/her research, 30% towards teaching, and 10% towards administration. The same might be true across all departments but I'm not privy to that information. Having said that, I'm not even sure it really matters which is given priority. As long as the prof looks like he's putting in the effort to teach, it is good enough for me. Not sure if I suffer from some kind of attention deficit disorder or whatever, but I never could pay attention in lectures and always had to resort to learning on my own time.
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I'm sure that most research professors have something built into their contract that requires them to split their time between teaching and research in a certain way. The problem that I, and apparantly the OP, ran into is when a professor is there strictly to do the research and treats the teaching as if it's nothing more than an annoyance to him.

Not everybody finds the clasroom setting as useful as everyone else, but when I paid $thousands for education (and am still paying off loans) it would have been nice if the research professors had been able to at least pretend that they wanted to be there.
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I'm pretty sure universities think that it is the degree you are paying for, not the education. Shitty mentality, and we all do have to live with it. Recently, my department hired three new professors and the number one criteria was how much money could a candidate bring into the faculty for his/her own research. Basically, you don't get hired if you already don't have contacts in the industry who are willing to fund your research. The department certainly will not fund your research unless you've been with the university for a number of years. That effectively screens out most fresh phd doctors who might be better at teaching since they just went through the process

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