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Movements of all cars in Britain to be monitored by evil sytem.

If you thought your privacy was being invaded in the USA, think again.

The movements of all vehicles on the roads in Britain are to be recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records of scanned number plates of all cars that use the roads. 100% Apalling.

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Re: Movements of all cars in Britain to be monitored by evil sytem.

Frosty, stop hating America Britain. You're either with them or you're with the terrorists.

Seriously, though..dubya-tee-eff? Is crime really such a problem in the UK that they need to know where everyone is/was at all times? Or is this just a case of over-eager police beaurocracy gaining as much power as they can?
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Re: Movements of all cars in Britain to be monitored by evil sytem.

From what I've seen, the UK monitors their citizens much more closely than we do. Or than we think we do. While I believe in citizen rights, the UK has had problems with certain factions over the years. Were I a UK citizen, I might feel a bit more comfortable knowing that the government is keeping an eye on the population. And, if I were prone to violence, I might think twice knowing the police could find me just by flicking a couple of switches. Their facial recognition system is amazing - but, I'll admit, a little scary.


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[quote author=FrostyFire link=topic=36133.msg519031#msg519031 date=1135248400]
If you thought your privacy was being invaded in the USA, think again.
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Is your privacy really being invaded if your your movements in public areas are being passively tracked via identifiers that anyone, anywhere can read (i.e. license plates)?* Does one really have the right to expect their location is a private matter when they are driving down a public road in their car?

i know the knee-jerk reaction to something like this is to call it an invasion of privacy, but I like to play Devil's Advocate (the philosophical position, not the pinball game)


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right, the technology to watch for license plates is not new, it's just the fact the info will be stored for years. Either way, the information wasn't private to begin with.

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It depends on what the information is used for, not how they get the information. *When the public catches on, you'll start having scorned women trying to get the government to tell them where their husbands spent their lunch hours, or if they were at Intersection X at 5pm instead of on their way home from work like they should be....or worried parents calling in to ask if they know where their children are. *
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[quote author=GimmeA3s link=topic=36133.msg519162#msg519162 date=1135262012]
It depends on what the information is used for, not how they get the information. When the public catches on, you'll start having scorned women trying to get the government to tell them where their husbands spent their lunch hours, or if they were at Intersection X at 5pm instead of on their way home from work like they should be....or worried parents calling in to ask if they know where their children are.
[/quote] and how is that different from hiring a private dick to follow your husband / kid ? private dicks aren't illegal, why should govt database be?

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[quote author=dmention7 link=topic=36133.msg519152#msg519152 date=1135261693]
[quote author=FrostyFire link=topic=36133.msg519031#msg519031 date=1135248400]
If you thought your privacy was being invaded in the USA, think again.
[/quote]

Is your privacy really being invaded if your your movements in public areas are being passively tracked via identifiers that anyone, anywhere can read (i.e. license plates)?* Does one really have the right to expect their location is a private matter when they are driving down a public road in their car?
[/quote]

1) yes
2) yes

"privacy" doesn't just mean that people can't see you. *Obviously, if I am walking down the street then everyone I pass will know where I am at that instant. *What they don't know is where I came from, where I'm going, why, with whom, etc.

Barring a reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, I see no reason that government should have the power to collect and analyze such information. *Simply being in posession of such a database is too much, in my opinion. That kind of information can be used far too easily to cause harm.

[quote author=Sealy link=topic=36133.msg519074#msg519074 date=1135258631]
From what I've seen, the UK monitors their citizens much more closely than we do. Or than we think we do. While I believe in citizen rights, the UK has had problems with certain factions over the years. Were I a UK citizen, I might feel a bit more comfortable knowing that the government is keeping an eye on the population. And, if I were prone to violence, I might think twice knowing the police could find me just by flicking a couple of switches. Their facial recognition system is amazing - but, I'll admit, a little scary.
[/quote]

so you feel that you need to have an eye kept on you? *While I will admit that I can think of a few people I know that probably SHOULD have an eye kept on them, having a universal system of cameras and computers to know who is where at all times is only about one thing: government distrust of the population. *"We think you might commit a crime, so we're going to watch you." *Shouldn't it be the other way around? *Furtermore, we're talking about GOVERNMENT employees here. *The same people that we decry every single day for their laziness, corruption, and ineptitude. *Do we REALLY want them responsible for watching us?

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[quote author=root link=topic=36133.msg519170#msg519170 date=1135262271]
[quote author=GimmeA3s link=topic=36133.msg519162#msg519162 date=1135262012]
It depends on what the information is used for, not how they get the information. When the public catches on, you'll start having scorned women trying to get the government to tell them where their husbands spent their lunch hours, or if they were at Intersection X at 5pm instead of on their way home from work like they should be....or worried parents calling in to ask if they know where their children are.
[/quote] and how is that different from hiring a private dick to follow your husband / kid ? private dicks aren't illegal, why should govt database be?
[/quote]

The government does not have legal juristiction to record / report the whereabouts of a citizen to another citizen - it's only legal for them to report your whereabouts to other entities in conjunction with a crime investigation. " Private dicks" can legally perform this task, and are licensed to do so.
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Re: Movements of all cars in Britain to be monitored by evil sytem.

so the problem of the govt reporting to the suspicious wife is not even an issue. Perfectly reasonable system then.

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