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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 03-18-2005, 09:19 AM Thread Starter
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Bush has re-nominated the judicial candidates that the Dems filibustered (I say that laughingly).

It now looks like the Republican congress has finally grown a spine and is going to bust through the phony filibuster.
The filibuster rules only apply to 7 specific instances in the constitution and judicial "Advise and Consent" is not one of them.

Now the Dems are calling this the "Nuclear option", forcing a floor vote on the nominees. They are further threatening to effectively shut down the work in the Senate, if the Republicans go through with this plan.

My Question is what do you think? Discuss amongst yourselves.
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The filibuster rules only apply to 7 specific instances in the constitution and judicial "Advise and Consent" is not one of them.
In fact, the filibuster is not contained in the Constitution at all. Each house is allowed to conduct business under their own rules, and the Senate allows it...as you said this is not one of those instances. Moreover, the recent "filibusters" have been sad pathetic attempts that do a disservice to the term.

Get rid of the filibuster. It sort of goes against the whole idea of voting on an issue. "Nuclear Option"....OMG! The Senate might have to vote on something!
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*shrug* them's the politics
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Party politics blows. OMG I'M BLUE I CAN'T AGREE WITH RED ABOUT ANYTHING!

Fucking bunch of indecisive pansies that only resort to the party line because they're afraid of the consequences of not doing exactly what they're told by some fat corrupt piece of shit.

Enjoy your spahgetti, you're very rude.


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I think most things should be decided by a 2/3 majority... including this one. But, this will only work if we hold them accountable to actually come up with mutually agreeable bills/law. Sure it'll be harder, but I think it will better for the country. Or maybe not. Sigh... I hate politics.

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I think most things should be decided by a 2/3 majority
I agree. This would ensure that they do absolutely nothing, which is a million times better than the way they fuck things up now.
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I think most things should be decided by a 2/3 majority
I agree. This would ensure that they do absolutely nothing, which is a million times better than the way they fuck things up now.
If I recall correctly, lots of things are decided by a 2/3 majority. I think, it would force them to come up with resolutions that are at least "OK" with both sides. Also, as voters, we should then hold our constituents accountable if they are "playing politics" and not working with both sides to get things done.

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f I recall correctly, lots of things are decided by a 2/3 majority
votes on bills are 3/5 in the house, simple majority in the senate.

over-riding a veto, passing ammendments to the constitution, etc, require 2/3. That kind of majority is reserved for the seriously important things, and is meant to ensure that it's difficult at best to pass.

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Also, as voters, we should then hold our constituents accountable if they are "playing politics" and not working with both sides to get things done.
I believe that we, as voters, have no constituents. But I know what you meant. As far as playing politics...how else do you get something done, especially if you were to require a 2/3 majority. You'd end up with bills that do nothing, which might be a good thing, because while most folks would compromise nobody is going to go against what they believe in.

"I'll vote for the airplane contract in your state if you vote for the highway construction in mine" might be playing politics, but it's how you get things done, especially when there's a handful of other states essentially competing for the same contracts.
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Also, as voters, we should then hold our constituents accountable if they are "playing politics" and not working with both sides to get things done.
I believe that we, as voters, have no constituents. But I know what you meant.
Doh! I should have said, we, as constituents, should hold our representatives accountable... I still think lots could be done w/ a 2/3 majority. But, the 50% majority forces a duality that I think causes gridlock. Just an idea. Anyway, perhaps an even better idea would be to end the 2 party system... having 3 major parties in Congress would pretty much result in the same thing: having a 2/3 majority to pass law.

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I think filibusters should be limited to laws and bills, not nominations.

Nominations should need a simple majority.
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