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I was listening to a story on the radio this morning about a company (Wayco, I think was the name) that requires employees to agree to not smoke at all - not even in their own homes, or outside of work. This is because they can get a lower health insurance premium if they can prove to the insurance company that no one on the group policy smokes. Every employee has to agree to take a smoking test, to prove they don't. There were many callers telling the radio station that their company also places smoking restrictions on them outside of work (such as when at restaurants).

Now I'm not a smoker, so although this doesn't affect me directly, I think it has ethical implications. Would you be OK with your job putting limitations on what you can do at home?


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I would not like people telling me how to live at my own house. So "NO" I dont listen to anyone else at my own home. I do what I want, when I want.


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If that is in the contract they signed when they came into the company, they have to abide by the rules. But I think that they should also be able to opt out of the insurance if they insist on wrecking their health.

There are other contracts people have signed in the past that govern personal lives. For example, athletes for pro sports teams may sign a good behaviour contract with either the team or their sponsors pledging they won't be involved in criminal behaviour or anything that will bring their employers into disrepute. I have that with my company. If I was convicted of a felony I would be fired.

Also, I'm pretty sure my company's insurance would have something to say if I did already have a life threatening illness when I signed onto the group health plan. For example if I had AIDS the insurance would probably either refuse to cover me or offer a different coverage. I would say that smoking is a life threatening activity and so would affect insurance coverage definitely.

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Ok, I would be fine if I got lower health insurance premiums for not smoking, I never have smoked anything and never will, but the inability to go to restaurants where smoking is would create some social pitfalls, especially with car meets where inevitably one person smokes and the whole group ends up in the smoking section.

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To some degree but I'm in the USAF so that might be a little different.


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If it wasnt for tobacco the world would be a very different place. Plus at my house ill do what i want, if that entails having sex with a hooker, so be it?

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If it got me cheaper preiums and what not and it was my job that gave me my living than I wouldnt mind that much. Im sure some people would have a fit, but hey if you want to smoke dont work for that company. Plus smoking is such a nasty habbit I have turned down so many girls because they smoked.ICK
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Very interesting. I wouldn't want my company telling me what to do.. but I don't think that's what the company in question is doing. It seems like they're giving their employees the CHOICE of not smoking at all in exchange for lower insurance premiums. I don't see anything unethical about that. As far as any social pitfalls, all the resteraunts around here are already non smoking, as well as the malls. Since none of my friends smoke around me, I wouldn't have any problem at all.

Of course, that wouldn't be the case for everyone.

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It seems like they're giving their employees the CHOICE of not smoking at all in exchange for lower insurance premiums.
I should have clarified. That isn't the case. They are being told that the company policy has changed to require that ALL employees be tested for smoking. The company can terminate any employees that don't comply. I think these employees are not offered health insurance on a person by person basis, but the company has a group policy. From what I heard on the radio, if the insurer has reason to believe that even ONE person on that policy smokes, they can raise the rates for everyone.


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It seems like they're giving their employees the CHOICE of not smoking at all in exchange for lower insurance premiums.
I should have clarified. That isn't the case. They are being told that the company policy has changed to require that ALL employees be tested for smoking. The company can terminate any employees that don't comply. I think these employees are not offered health insurance on a person by person basis, but the company has a group policy. From what I heard on the radio, if the insurer has reason to believe that even ONE person on that policy smokes, they can raise the rates for everyone.
Yes.. you definetly should have clarified! That changes everything. Despite how I feel about smoking (and how I feel about people that smoke), I must agree that a policy like this is certinaly challenging what's ethical for a company to ask of its employees.

OTOH, I can see how a company could get away with a requirement like that. First of all, smoking is a personal choice. No one HAS to smoke. So it's not like the company is asking you to urinate no more than 4 oz every 6 hours. Lowering insurance premiums will benefit the company a lot more than the employees. Saving money increases profitibility...etc. What's more, the company is TELLING you not to do something that is proven to cause health problems. Let's not forget that quitting smoking can save you a lot of money every year!

There are obvious benefits to requirements like that. However, that requirement is removing a freedom IF you can not afford to lose your job. It's not unlike prohibition which wasn't a bad idea either. The problem is, it won't work! While we have the freedom to be healthy, we also have the freedom to be unhealthy. As long as your activity doesn't hurt anyone else, then you should be able to do it if you so desire.

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