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View Poll Results: Do you believe in creationism?
Yes, literally as the Bible says 8 23.53%
No, the theory of evolution is the most likely 16 47.06%
Ummm.. maybe God created evolution?? 5 14.71%
Don't care, I just like dinosaurs 5 14.71%
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post #1 of 127 (permalink) Old 01-17-2005, 01:13 PM Thread Starter
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Disneyland has a competitor in the market for 'the land of make believe'.

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(The Telegraph) With its towering dinosaurs and a model of the Grand Canyon, America's newest tourist attraction might look like the ideal destination for fans of the film Jurassic Park.

The new multi-million-dollar Museum of Creation, which will open this spring in Kentucky, will, however, be aimed not at film buffs, but at the growing ranks of fundamentalist Christians in the United States.

It aims to promote the view that man was created in his present shape by God, as the Bible states, rather than by a Darwinian process of evolution, as scientists insist.

The centrepiece of the museum is a series of huge model dinosaurs, built by the former head of design at Universal Studios, which are portrayed as existing alongside man, contrary to received scientific opinion that they lived millions of years apart.

Other exhibits include images of Adam and Eve, a model of Noah's Ark and a planetarium demonstrating how God made the Earth in six days.

The museum, which has cost a mighty $25 million (13 million) will be the world's first significant natural history collection devoted to creationist theory. It has been set up by Ken Ham, an Australian evangelist, who runs Answers in Genesis, one of America's most prominent creationist organisations. He said that his aim was to use tourism, and the theme park's striking exhibits, to convert more people to the view that the world and its creatures, including dinosaurs, were created by God 6,000 years ago.

"We want people to be confronted by the dinosaurs," said Mr Ham. "It's going to be a first class experience. Visitors are going to be hit by the professionalism of this place. It is not going to be done in an amateurish way. We are making a statement."

The museum's main building was completed recently, and work on the entrance exhibit starts this week. The first phase of the museum, which lies on a 47-acre site 10 miles from Cincinatti on the border of Kentucky and Ohio, will open in the spring.

Market research companies hired by the museum are predicting at least 300,000 visitors in the first year, who will pay $10 (5.80) each.

Among the projects still to be finished is a reconstruction of the Grand Canyon, purportedly formed by the swirling waters of the Great Flood where visitors will "gape" at the bones of dinosaurs that "hint of a terrible catastrophe", according to the museum's publicity.

Mr Ham is particularly proud of a planned reconstruction of the interior of Noah's Ark. "You will hear the water lapping, feel the Ark rocking and perhaps even hear people outside screaming," he said.

More controversial exhibits deal with diseases and famine, which are portrayed not as random disasters, but as the result of mankind's sin. Mr Ham's Answers in Genesis movement blames the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, in which two teenagers killed 12 classmates and a teacher before killing themselves, on evolutionist teaching, claiming that the perpetrators believed in Darwin's survival of the fittest.

Other exhibits in the museum will blame homosexuals for Aids. In a "Bible Authority Room" visitors are warned: "Everyone who rejects his history including six-day creation and Noah's flood is `wilfully' ignorant.''

Elsewhere, animated figures will be used to recreate the Garden of Eden, while in another room, visitors will see a tyrannosaurus rex pursuing Adam and Eve after their fall from grace. "That's the real terror that Adam's sin unleashed," visitors will be warned.

A display showing ancient Babylon will deal with the Tower of Babel and "unravel the origin of so-called races'', while the final section will show the life of Christ, as an animated angel proclaims the coming of the Saviour and a 3D depiction of the crucifixion.

In keeping with modern museum trends, there will also be a cafe with a terrace to "breathe in the fresh air of God's creation'', and a shop "crammed'' with creationist souvenirs, including T-shirts and books such as A is for Adam and Dinky Dinosaur: Creation Days.

The museum's opening will reinforce the burgeoning creationist movement and evangelical Christianity in the US, which gained further strength with the re-election of President Bush in November.

Followers of creationism have been pushing for their theories to be reintegrated into American schoolroom teaching ever since the celebrated 1925 "Scopes Monkey Trial", when US courts upheld the right of a teacher to use textbooks that included evolutionary theory.

In 1987, the US Supreme Court reinforced that position by banning the teaching of creationism in public schools on the grounds of laws that separate state and Church.

Since then, however, many schools particularly in America's religious Deep South have got around the ban by teaching the theory of "intelligent design", which claims that evolutionary ideas alone still leave large gaps in understanding.

"Since President Bush's re-election we have been getting more membership applications than we can handle,'' said Mr Ham, who expects not just the devout, but also the curious, to flock through the turnstiles. "The evolutionary elite will be getting a wake-up call."

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Don't care. I just like Dinosaurs....

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When religion ruled the world, we called those the Dark Ages.

When science and philosophy came to be the driving force in civilization, we called that the Renaissance.

Broad statement, but I think it applies with all this "creationism" crap.


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wow. is the above info accurate? I've read several of Ken Ham's books, and it he didn't seem to say ANYTHING like the above statements. I'm rather surprised. He seemed pretty balanced to me, presented good arguements, etc, not the bigot this info makes him into.

I'd want a few other opinions on this whole museum before I draw any conclusions, but it seems a bit far fetched from what I've read in his books that he would actually endorse displays blaming AIDS on homosexuals, or the columbine incident on evolutionary teaching.

I'm a strong dis-believer in evolution, I think it's got way to many holes to be plausible, but I hope this museum doesn't actually end up being as one sided and demeaning as this report seems to say. that would be pretty sad.

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I'm a strong dis-believer in evolution, I think it's got way to many holes to be plausible,
Like what? If by "holes" you mean not everything is completely explained by a scientific theory... then, surely you would agree that there is far more explained by scientific theory than by creationism? Last I checked, we have no scientific evidence for Adam & Eve, God playing in the mud, talking serpents, and whatnot.

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Agreed......but when you're looking to replace a long held belief, ideally you'd pick something that is substantially more concrete than the current held view. Whether or not evolution is considered to be substantially more concrete is up to the individual.

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There are no holes in evolution, just holes in our current understanding of it. Just as our understanding of newtonian physics had serious flaws in it. Doesn't mean newtonian physics was flawed, just our understanding of it was flawed.

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Agreed......but when you're looking to replace a long held belief, ideally you'd pick something that is substantially more concrete than the current held view. Whether or not evolution is considered to be substantially more concrete is up to the individual.
I think the volumes of scientific facts that we've collected throughout the ages qualifies as "substantially more concrete" than a single story-telling book.

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Last I checked, we have no scientific evidence for Adam & Eve, God playing in the mud, talking serpents, and whatnot.
Just a thought people.. can we stop interpreting/attacking Bible stories (particularly the Old Testament) on a literal basis? They are most likely fables, put there by the writers under divine inspiration, to convery a message -- not necessarily details of how something came to be. Take for instance the creation story in Genesis. Christians don't know if God really made the world in 7 days and made light on such & such day, and plant life on such & such day. The only religious message that that is meant to convey is that God created the Earth and everything on it, and that God has rule over it. Now those Christians who think it happened word for word as the Bible says, and that species cannot evolve... please, this is a good time to question your choice of denomination, IMH (& humble) O. You are missing the big picture and the meaning behind the stories in the Bible, as well as sounding like zealous religious biggots (fundamentalists?) to everyone else.

And if you don't believe in evolution, then please tell me... what is the point of the vestigial tail bone (coccyx) that humans have at our lower spine?

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Whether or not evolution is considered to be substantially more concrete is up to the individual.
Well... I'd say it's more up to scientific peer review than what any individuals think. Scientists love poking holes in other people's theories... so when the overwhelming majority of biologists, anthropologists, and other "ologists" pretty much concur, then we can rest assured it's the best theory we have right now. Is it "right" -- probably not. It's certainly not complete. But, it's the best we have. Creationism is not science, as there is no scientific evidence to support the details of the story.

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