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post #1 of 99 (permalink) Old 07-10-2004, 06:56 PM Thread Starter
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I've been noticing that there are a lot of 3 owners on the board that are from both Canada and Australia. Being the curious guy that I am, I was wondering what you guys thought of America? Including things about our society, any stereotypes there might be about us, jokes or whatnot that you've heard or come up with pertaining to America, or any thing doing with our political system or our president. Don't be afraid to offend me (I can't speak for the other American members of the board) but I'd love to hear how other people in other countries think about the country I'm proud to reside in.

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I was thinking about getting a world band radio so I could hear this kind of stuff. I'm also interested in seeing what people think.
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Americans individuals are usually friendly, to the point and good neighbors to have. I know many Americans personally, and can't say enough good things about them.

I can't say I'm impressed with the United States' current political and military positions, though. To the external eye, it really doesn't look good. Absolutely none of the US's recent actions have been in the interest of anybody but the US republican government's. Actually, let's narrow this down to the interests of a very small number of people : Bush, Cheney and friends. I still don't know why you guys elected them!

Farenheit 9/11 is a really good movie to watch if you want a glimpse of what's out there. It depicts the situation exactly like we've been seeing it from the start.

We of course have access to most US news channels up here, and I must say that the difference between what we see around the world and what you guys get is amazing. Again, you'll find great examples of this in the F 9/11 movie.

Basically, the whole world is asking you guys to send the Republicans back to their drawing boards this next election. Pretty please?

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We of course have access to most US news channels up here, and I must say that the difference between what we see around the world and what you guys get is amazing. Again, you'll find great examples of this in the F 9/11 movie.

Basically, the whole world is asking you guys to send the Republicans back to their drawing boards this next election. Pretty please?
Thank you for your response! I'd have to agree with you as far as the republican thing, I myself am a democrat and I'm going to try to do my best to vote Kerry in, or hell, anybody but Bush. I havent' seen Farenheit yet, but I suppose I'll watch it eventually..

On another note though, you mentioned that most of what we see going on in the news is different compared to what the rest of the world. I'm actually quite curious to what you mean specifically about that.. I mean, are things really censored as far as what we see and what not?

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Me to. Give us some vid clips or something.
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I'm political and I pay attention to the news. so much so that I have a news forum on Delphi where I obsessively post news.

I like Americans and the idea of America as the land of the free. I have no problem with the U.S. being the strongest power in the world, it's a reality and I'm glad communism has been shown the door. I'm a capitalist and supporter of democracy. That said...

One difference between Canadians and Americans is that the Americans are intensely patriotic and really put value in symbolism. If you ever immediately criticized a Canadian for saying something bad about the Prime Minister, they would look at you strangely like: "what? He's just the Prime Minister. So what?" But many Americans, even some Democrats, think you cannot criticize the leader like he's royalty. Like there is something special about being the President that puts him above personal criticism.

I'm not talking about Bush in particular, I mean just the job of the President. I guess it has to do with Canadian cynicism about who the Prime Minister is. The Prime Minister is a human being who has to stand up in Question Period every quarter and take abuse from the opposition. The Prime Minister usually takes questions from reporters every time he leaves the House of Commons, but we almost never see Bush take any sort of unprepared question. In political blogs last week there was a lot of hand slapping over this interview that Bush did with an Irish reporter where she *gasp* asked him real questions that she didn't forward to the White House in advance. And the White House was angry about this! I watched this interview and they weren't even hard questions. Any Prime Minister in Canada or Britain takes these and even more testing questions in the House of Commons.

I value a lot of things about America including the free economy, the culture, and the very real fact that in the U.S. people are really free to do whatever they want relative to the rest of the world. It's also a very crazy place where people on the one hand think they should have the right to own insane weaponry because of the belief that they need to defend themselves against tyranny, and at the same time they support laws like the Patriot Act which allow the government to poke around in people's private lives without them knowing and imprison people without trial or access to a lawyer. It's because I love the liberty in the United States that I pay attention to this also because it is in the interests of every citizen in the world to see that a good government is in place in the most powerful state in the world.

I've skimmed the other large political thread here and I don't want this to become a flame war. But my opinion was asked and there it is.

Of course, I have Americans friends, travel to the U.S. on occasion... yada yada.

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ATL, occasionally there is good stuff on Suprnova.org that you can download. Just this week there was a BBC report on Abu Ghraib that was quite in depth and covered a lot of the news about the interrogations, the connection with private contractors and the politics behind the decision to use more harsh tactics there and in Afghanistan. It had an interview with General Karpinski, the female general who is being scapegoated because of what happened there.

I look at news a lot from foreign news sources. You might want to check out
cbc.ca (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
reuters.com
guardian.co.uk
financialtimes.co.uk
http://www.scotsman.com/

and pay attention to the Washington beltway oriented newspapers like:
nytimes.com
washingtonpost.com
christiansciencemonitor.com

PBS Frontline has always had excellent TV documentaries and they keep a lot of those archives on their site.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/

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I find it interesting you see Americans as intensley patriotic, I remember just before 9/11 thinking that patriotism had totally died in America and then right after I heard it had happened I first laughed because I thought it was a joke and then thought maybe it had been some sick persons idea of creating patriatism. Of course my family was one of the first to go out and buy one of those flag poles and we have had the flag flying since, but I believe patriatism has a lot to do with the times. Maybe I am thinking this way because I am young and have not experienced much of American culture yet but before 9/11 I had only seen a few people wearing flags or what not and right after 9/11 they were everywhere. I think it will kind of remain the same way until we go back to our former isolationist selves which I doubt will ever happen. I have heard a few comparisons of America to Rome and I'm afraid it might be true but I am sure hoping it is not. This post makes no sense so I'm sorry for any of you who read it :-)
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You can compare America to Rome or to Britain. In all of those cases, the impact of the 'empire' was felt in three areas: militarily, economically and culturally. Roman culture spread throughout Europe and the Middle East, even after Rome died. The British spread liberal democracy, global trade, the bolt-action rifle and the English language throughout the world. America has spread the American dollar, Coca Cola, movies, multinational corporations and technology throughout the world. So even if the U.S. becomes isolationist, there will still be Will Smith playing in almost every theatre (or TV) around the world and people will still use the U.S. dollar as the unit of exchange. Even if bin Laden somehow kicks the west out of the Muslim world he'll still have to launder his money in greenbacks and use Windows OS to write his speeches.

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ok, I'm not super active on the forum but I gotta jump in here.

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but before 9/11 I had only seen a few people wearing flags or what not and right after 9/11 they were everywhere
I'm in Canada and I would say that we are patriotic as well but not the overt way that most Americans display their patriotism. I mean, we get the US channels up here and all the news reports are about Americans. There's the human interest stories about an army wife who's making a quilt until her husband comes home. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying those people shouldn't exist. But what I am saying is that instead of seeing real indepth coverage by the media, the big networks are just trying to scoop each other on who can get the tear jerker story first about the marines. I mean, on one of the networks, they did a tribute to a marine that was killed in Iraq just before a commercial break. They told us where he was from, what he wanted to do, and when he died in Iraq and how in his last letter home he wanted his mom to send him a box of candy so that he can give some to the children on his patrol. great human interest story but no actual news. That's why I feel that sometimes you lead sheltered lives not knowing all there is to know.

here's an example. looking at one of the national news papers here in Canada's website (The Globe and Mail), I find 15 "main" headline stories with only 6 pertaining to Canada. Out of those 6, one deals with a missing little girl, one a lotto winner who's getting screwed by his ex wife looking for a paycheck. The last one I don't count as real news story. So, only 5 out of the 15 dealt with Canadian only issues, the others were all international dealing with all parts of the world from Russia, the Congo, Isreal, Thailand and the Philippines.

Compared with USA today's website:
9 real news stories
4 dealing with Americans in Iraq/Iraq in general
1 dealing with the lack of an oil spill in alaska
1 dealing with the suicide bombing in Isreal
1 dealing with the afghan bombing.

just compare the kind of news you guys get to see with the kind of news the rest of the world may see.

Now I'm not getting high and mighty and saying Canadian broadcasters are fair and concise, but what I am saying is that we get to see different news.

that's the patriotism at work. your news media practicses self censorship. you don't need a government censor, they can do it themselves.

I perfer to think of us Canadians are more laid back, we don't need to go rah rah rah every chance we get just to prove that we are patriotic, I know I care about my country and that's all I can do about it. I don't need to go out there and parade down the street with my Canadian flag to show it.

again, not trying to flame here, but that's just my opinion. if there's any bones of contention, please feel free to reply so that I may clarify my point. (sometimes the internet isn't the best media for conveying feelings).

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