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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 07-03-2004, 03:22 PM Thread Starter
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For those of you that follow baseball...

I truly believe he's one of the best relief pitchers to ever play the game. We may never see anohter like him in our lifetimes. And I say that without being overly dramatic.

If you've ever seen him pitch in person... especially at Yankee stadium... it's just unreal. And even before he GETS to the mound, the response he gets from the fans is nothing short of incredible.

He currently has a 0.86 ERA and has not let up a single run in the past month. In 2004 he has already racked up 29 saves and 35 strike outs in 41 innings pitched, and has 312 career saves.

How many of you have seen him pitch? Especially in person?
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I truly believe he's one of the best relief pitchers to ever play the game. We may never see anohter like him in our lifetimes. And I say that without being overly dramatic.
I second all that. And he just owns the post season. I've never seen him pitch in person.......heck I haven't even been to states (aside from this one time when I crossed the upstate NY border for fun sakes......and to buy marlboro ). But I've seen countless games on tv all the way back to the 96 season when he was just the setup man and the way he's matured into the closer role is just awesome. Truly the sandman.

Since I am canadian I am gonna use this opportunity to point out Gagne as well . What he has done these past two season has been nothing short of amazing. Just imagine him going this entire season without blowing a save!!! I won't rank him above Rivera, partially cause I am a yankee fan and partially cause Gagne has never been in the post season so no idea if he'd crumble under some real pressure.

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Never seen him pitch in person, but I am a huge yankees fan, so yes, i do realize how good he his and how important he is to the team. He is obviously dominant, and the best part is the fact that he is dominant with only one pitch. I don't know of any other pitcher you can say that about.

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Right now I think Gagne is the better of the two and has been for 2 seasons now. With that said, BOTH are dominant and Mariano has been for a long long time which is why he is probably top two in terms of best relievers IMO with the Eck.

Gagne will definitely need to see some playoff pressure before being compared with the greats even though the streak he is currently riding is very impressive to say the least.

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Gagne's got the most devistating off-speed pitch in baseball right now. It drops off the table from 12 to 6 like nothing I've ever seen. He makes major league hitters look absolutely, embarassingly, ridiculous when they try to swing at that thing, especially when it follows a perfectl placed 98mph heater. It's a sight to behold in person.

He seems a little less effective this season, but I think that's because he's had bigger leads when the balls been handed to him this season. He's never been effective if he has wiggle room. I'll get back to that point later. A lot of people say he has had no test under pressue, and that his only one (the All Star Game), he blew. Firstly, to judge anyone by their performance at the All Star Game (even if it "counts&quot is patently ridiculous. He's facing nothing but the best hitters in baseball. He doesn't have his normal routine. And, most importantly for Gagne, it's an exhibition game and he's simply not going to put his best stuff out there. Idiotic home field advantage questions aren't worth that.

And that's the real key with Gagne. To be effective, he has to be able to get on the mound and put everything he has behind every pitch. That's why he was a complete failure as a starter. If he has to/is in a position to keep something in the tank, he gets shelled. That's why he's not as effective in a 3 run game as he is in a 1 run game. That's why he's awful when they put him in in a tie game in the 9th. But when he's in there and absolutely needs to get the guy in front of him out, that guy is out, guaranteed. I think he will relish the playoffs. From what I've seen, the more pressure he has, the better he pitches.

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