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post #1 of 73 (permalink) Old 05-24-2004, 04:23 PM Thread Starter
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I am posting this whereever I can because this seems like a pretty big deal. It is not my intent to start a political debate.

Please spread the news. Write in to representatives, to newspapers ... etc.

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There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election.

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Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."

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Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
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Well the last part of that is good... that disparity has always pissed me off. But the middle section yeah seems a bit odd/bad.

Moving this to the lounge.
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that site isn't exactly noteworthy...but that's just my opinion. As someone who has worked for a congressman, I still have contacts, this is blown a little out of proportion.

The bill was introduced in early January by Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, and was immediately sent into comittee. It has not appeared since and is believed to have just been squashed while in committe. Many, many bills are proposed every year, and most are ended just like this.

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Thanks for the info on that.

I asked around and got "yeah it's a good site" etc etc ... (my first kneejerk reaction is to not believe anything i read).

It probably doesn't hurt to make people aware that a bill was floating around even if it's currently ignored.
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great point, the thought of it being out there is scary enough.

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House Democrat wants draft reinstated
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»WASHINGTON -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 under a bill the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says he will introduce next year.
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, has said the all-volunteer military disproportionately puts the burden of war on minorities and lower-income families.

Rangel said he will propose a measure early next year. While he said he is serious about the proposal, there is little evident support among the public or lawmakers for it.
In 2003, Rangel proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. It was defeated 402-2 the following year. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the Nov. 7 election.

At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," said Rangel, who also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. "I think to do so is hypocritical."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.

"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."

Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.

The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 - now about 16 million - from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.

Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.

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Rangel's been after this for years... and while I think it does have its merits, compulsory military service is not the best thing for our country, even if it does make the leaders think twice (or thrice) about getting us into long wars.

I've a feeling Rep Charlie's bill is just another stab at the establishment, but will ultimately end up nowhere.



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The only thing I disagree with Rangel is this: Congressman's kids and Senator's kids wouldn't go to war; it'd be kids like myself that are going to college, with the intentions of being successful in life in something other then fighting a war which many do not agree with. I sincerely doubt that they would put their own kids on the line, but apparently have no problem doing it to others.
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beam me up scottie! lol im pretty close to joining the millitary myself as it is.

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