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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-17-2004, 12:35 AM Thread Starter
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Ideas? I want a new A/V receiver.

I currently have a Pioneer D850S

My current top idea is the Denon AVR-1804, but I'm concerned because it outputs only 90w/channel (compared to my pioneers 110) over 6 channels.
Also, I'm debating if there will be a significant quality difference - the Pioneer is a pretty good reciever, certainly no Pyramid

Any other ideas?

Really what brought this on is that my computer speakers are dying, and I don't really want to buy another set of comp speakers, would rather output the computer to a component system.
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How about the Onkyo TX-SR601, as highly rated by CNet? Actually, just check out CNet for a bunch of good receivers, although some are rather pricey
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Ahhhh hometheater. I've got a rather huge obsession with it (I just finally completed mine last week with a 51" Widescreen Projection TV). And I've done tons of research into it before making any of my purchases.

When I was shopping for recievers, I was only looking at power output, until someone explained what the numbers actually meant. Most of the more common names (Sony, JVC, Pioneer) will say 100 W per channel. But check their specs. It'll say that it can only output that power at one frequency (usually 1 kHz) and the THD (total harmonic distortion) is 1%. The higher the THD, the lower quality sound you are getting (more distortion). I checked the specs on your Pioneer, and it is 110W @ 1 kHz with 1% THD. The Denon however, is 90W @ 20 Hz - 20 kHz with 0.08% THD. That means it can produce a true 90W over a wide range of frequencies with very little distortion. So if you are only listening to stuff at 1 kHz, you'll get more power out of something like the Pioneer. But in a real world application, the Denon will bury it. It's because the manufacturers (such as Denon, Onkyo, Harmon Kardon) don't use big numbers to fool the uninformed.

I bought the Denon AVR-1603 (one model lower than yours and a 2003 model instead of 2004). It's rated at 80 W per channel. I've got it set up in a 20 x 25 ft room and it completely fills it. Sounds unbelievable. I would bet that the Sony I was looking at that was rated at 100 W wouldn't put out near the sound quality at the volumes I listen to it at.

Oh, and this doesn't get into the processing that is done by the chip in the unit. I won't get into that though. Needless to say, the Denon will do it better.

Sorry for the long response. I really like to talk when it comes to this stuff. Go for the Denon (or an Onkyo, or a Harmon Kardon or if you really want to get a top notch receiever, a Rotel). I chose Denon because it was the best bang for my buck.

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I have a Harman Kardon AVR 510 that I bought 2 1/2 or 3 years ago. http://www.harmankardon.com/specific...10&sType=H Have it hooked to Infinty Entra speakers, 5.1, and it sounds great. Eventually I will have better speakers but the set up I have works for now. (I still live at home). The video comes through a 57" widescreen TV. Go for Denon, Harman Kardon or Onkyo, but definitely look at the power ratings, frequency levels and THD. Dont let the higher numbers fool you.

My set up is 5.1, but you may want to look into 7.1, that is the way things are going now and if you want to prepare for a future system so you dont have to buy a new one soon look at a 7.1 reciever. I have had mine for a few years but am still upset because the things arent cheap.....and I want two more speakers.

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I work for Circuit City's Home Audio Department. That in itself doesn't make me an expert b/c everyone knows some salesmen are just plain ignorant.

I have been selling this stuff for 3 years and I can tell you Harman-Kardon and Onkyo are both great recievers.

The Onkyo 601 would be my pick for anything under $700. It has a consistant High Current amp. so it will drive @ 480 watts devided by it's 6 channels over it's entire frequency range. Harman uses the same technology but for the same $500 as the 601, you only get 300 Watts. This doesn't affect the sound quality much, but the volume range of the Onkyo is grater.
Both brands will only be 0.08% THD no matter if you have it @ it's lowest volume or maxed out.

Harman doesn't like to give away features, like Onkyo. Onkyo will package in 2 zone capibility, which will allow you to play your TV in stereo mode in the main room, and a CD in stereo in another area in your house. (I.E. outside porch). This is a hugh feature that alot of people will grow into even if they don't have immediate plans to.

Keeping with the Zone 2 feature, @ $699 Harman gives you the same feature, with a 2nd remote for the 2nd zone, but still only 350 watts.


If this makes any sence the difference in 65 watts and 100 watts is only 2.6 dB of sound. Tha ability to have 100 watts just makes the reciever sound better at lower volumes b/c it doesn't have to strain to achieve them.

Stay away from pioneer if you car about true quailty, but if you have a very limited budget their speakers sound great for the money, as long as you stay away from their package speakers and buy them individually.

Hope this helps.

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All recievers $499 and up should be 6.1 now, and all recievers $899 and up should be 7.1.

If you don't get this, you've basically been ripped off.

Harman's Logic 7 is proprietary(spelling?) and is much better than Dolby Pro Logic 2, which is a big benifit if you listen to alot of 2 channel audio(CD's, Radio, News, etc.) and you want it to play out of all the speakers.

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Didn't mean to knock Pioneer there, b/c they use to make awesome equipment, but the last few years they've gone down hill.

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I would say go with the Denon on the account of quality. You are not going to hear the volume difference between 110 watts and 90 watts. Besides, I suspect the Denon will have higher dynamic headroom anyway.

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Yeah I'm pretty into home theater as well, and nothing you guys have said is really new to me But I did need the suggestions.

One of my problems with Onkyo is that to get the features I want, I'd have to spend like $800+. Most of the ones I've looked at closer to my price range, for example, have only 2 optical inputs, which just isn't enough.

Yeah, I realize that 110 vs 90 is not a big difference, I just hate to think that any spec is lower upon getting a new receiver.

I will not consider any receiver that isn't 6.1 or greater, even if I'm not using the center rear righ tnow due to space.

$400 is the absolute max - I really don't have this money to spend, but I have one of my systems on the way out and I figure I'll get a higher end receiver for the living room and move the pioneer to the bedroom, instead of just getting a multimedia system or something.

Oh, by the way - whatever I get will drive two Acoustic Research AR-11 mains, two AR PS2601 (IIRC) surrounds, and a CSW CenterStage, plus output to a Klipsch dual-11" 500w sub (which I hate... that's my roommates )
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I can assure you, the Denon will not dissappoint. Watts has absolutely nothing to do with "quality", and I can also say that it will drive your speakers hard enough, how often do you even come close to blasting your stereo anyway?

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